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		<title>Dr Prawes: Five Types of Red Shirts</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dr Prawes Wasi (photo credit: Bangkokbiznews) Note: This blog post is partly based on Dr Prawes&#8217;s article (in Thai, available here) and also on a response to his article by &#8220;Nak Pratya Chai Kob&#8221; (also in Thai, available here). Dr Prawes Wasi, a generally well-respected Thai public intellectual, recently argued that we need to see [...]


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<p style="text-align: center;"><em>Dr Prawes Wasi (photo credit: <a href="http://www.bangkokbiznews.com/home/detail/politics/analysis/20090521/43914/%E0%B8%9B%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%B0%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%A8-%E0%B8%8A%E0%B8%B9%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%87%E0%B8%84%E0%B9%8C%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%AA%E0%B8%B7%E0%B9%88%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%AA%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%A3%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%9E%E0%B8%B7%E0%B9%88%E0%B8%AD%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%B5%E0%B8%A2%E0%B8%99%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%B9%E0%B9%89-%E0%B8%9B%E0%B8%B1%E0%B8%88%E0%B8%88%E0%B8%B1%E0%B8%A2%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%9B%E0%B8%A5%E0%B8%B5%E0%B9%88%E0%B8%A2%E0%B8%99%E0%B8%9B%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%B0%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%97%E0%B8%A8.html">Bangkokbiznews</a>)</em></p>
<p><em>Note: This blog post is partly based on Dr Prawes&#8217;s article (in Thai, available <a href="http://prachatai.com/journal/2010/04/28910">here</a>) and also on a response to his article by &#8220;Nak Pratya Chai Kob&#8221; (also in Thai, available <a href="http://prachatai.com/journal/2010/04/28918">here</a>).</em></p>
<p>Dr Prawes Wasi, a generally well-respected Thai public intellectual, recently argued that we need to see the red shirts as a loose alliance of people with different aims and aspirations. He points out that the reds can be categorised into five groups:</p>
<p><strong>1. </strong><strong>Thaksin himself:</strong> Prawes speculates that Thaksin seeks to avoid prison sentences and punishment, wants his money back, and wishes to return to power. Thaksin is said to be the main emotional and monetary driving force behind the red shirts since organising such a massive political movement certainly costs a lot of money.</p>
<p><strong>2. Those hired by Thaksin:</strong> According to Prawes, it is no surprise that there are people willing to offer their service to a wealthy guy like Thaksin.</p>
<p><strong>3. The &#8220;idealist&#8221; reds:</strong> Here, Prawes refers to the leftists who want a fundamental structural change in Thai society in their quest for fairness. These people, he argues, still bear the pain of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6_October_1976_Massacre">6 October massacre</a> and need to be rehabilitated. They need to be offered an opportunity to cooperate with the nation as part of our development efforts.</p>
<p><strong>4. The violent extremists:</strong> Prawes notes that these are a small minority and their operation needs to be curbed.</p>
<p><strong>5. The poor, both from the countryside and the inner cities, and their sympathisers:</strong> The poor, Prawes points out, are typically held in low esteem. They are perpetually trapped in poverty as a result of structural unfairness. Accordingly, when Thaksin came along and offered something to them, they fell in love with him even though his policies did not tackle the true structural problems. Thaksin is their vehicle for their battle. The word <em>prai</em> (commoner) strongly resonates with them. The poor, lacking in opportunities and feeling they are looked down upon, will only continue to join this movement in ever greater numbers. Prawes further argues that unless we reduce the gap between the rich and the poor, one day the poor may murder the rich. Thaksin would not be involved in such a circumstance, however. He is, after all, one of the wealthiest individuals around.</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>My thoughts? One thing is clear: Prawes does not see any true democracy lovers in the reds.</p>


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		<title>Split in the Reds: When Differences Become Intolerable *UPDATE*</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Although the signs had been there for some time, some people did not really see it coming. Exiled UDD leader and former cabinet minister Jakrapob Penkair was reported to have broken away from the main red-shirt movement in order to form a splinter group called &#8220;Red Siam&#8221;. Joining him was Surachai Sae-Dan (Danwattananusorn), another red-shirt keyman [...]


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although the signs had been there for some time, some people did not really see it coming.<img class="alignright size-full wp-image-65" style="margin:15px" title="Jakrapob (photo credit: ASTV Manager)" src="http://www.tumblerblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/552000004944501.JPEG" alt="Jakrapob (photo credit: ASTV Manager)" width="225" height="200" /></p>
<p>Exiled UDD leader and former cabinet minister Jakrapob Penkair was <a href="http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2009/08/28/politics/politics_30110916.php">reported</a> to have broken away from the main red-shirt movement in order to form a splinter group called &#8220;Red Siam&#8221;. Joining him was Surachai Sae-Dan (Danwattananusorn), another red-shirt keyman known for his strong Communist beliefs. The reason behind the split appears to be ideological differences, particularly over the red shirts&#8217; recent petition for a royal pardon for Thaksin Shinawatra.</p>
<p>The split has not been amicable. In his recent article in a pro-red newspaper, Jakrapob launched a <a href="http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2009/08/25/politics/politics_30110601.php">stinging criticism</a> of the red-shirt leadership, especially the &#8216;Truth Today&#8217; trio (Veera Musikgapong,  Nattawut Saikua and Jatuporn Prompan) who played a key role in getting the petition signed and submitted. Jatuporn responded by reminding Jakrapob that when the former minister was facing lese-majesté charges, it was the red shirts who stood beside him through thick and thin.</p>
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<p>Looking back, the potential of a split in the red shirts was always evident. While both the Thai and foreign media tend to portray the reds as a chiefly pro-Thaksin movement, such a portrayal ignores the considerable diversity in their views and fails to explain the true motives of some of their leaders. True, what people see in the news most often about red-shirt rallies are the phone-ins of Thaksin, but to say that the reds are purely about Thaksin is akin to saying that the PAD is only about Abhisit.</p>
<p>Rather than seeing the reds as a movement <em>for</em> Thaksin, it is probably more accurate to think of them as a movement <em>against</em> the &#8216;Amarts&#8217; (roughly translated as the aristocrats and the influential unelected bureaucrats) who the red-shirts say have crippled the development of Thai democracy. But the complexity does not stop there. For one thing, the reds have not been able to give a clear and consistent answer to the question &#8220;Just who exactly are the Amarts?&#8221; While mainstream UDD leaders continue to <a href="http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2009/08/27/politics/politics_30110848.php">insist</a> that they are fighting for a system of constitutional monarchy and thus their campaign is limited to attacking Privy Council president Prem Tinsulanonda and his cronies, certain factions within the reds have quietly been prepared to go beyond that.</p>
<p>The royal pardon campaign, then, was the final straw that broke the camel&#8217;s back. When the campaign was first launched, it triggered a flurry of furious debates and arguments among the reds on various Internet discussion boards (see <a href="http://thaienews.blogspot.com/2009/06/blog-post_2136.html"><em>ThaiENews</em></a> for some examples in Thai). As <a href="http://www.prachatai.com/journal/2009/08/25467"><em>Prachatai</em></a> (in Thai) reports, some red-shirt leaders also voiced their reservations about the petition. The aforementioned Surachai Sae-Dan even revealed that he had refused to attend any meeting with other leaders since the start of the royal pardon campaign. While the leaders attempted to maintain the image of harmony in their ranks, it has become increasingly difficult for people like Surachai to remain with the mainstream reds.</p>
<p>Jakrapob&#8217;s defection is perhaps a tad more surprising. The former TV presenter was one of the original leaders of the UDD during its struggle against the 2006-07 military junta and has often lavished praises on Thaksin in rallies and interviews. But one could later see the signs of his radical politics when he gave a speech about Thailand&#8217;s &#8216;patronage system&#8217; to the audience in an event at the Foreign Correspondents&#8217; Club of Thailand. That speech later led to charges of lese-majesté being filed against him. After he fled overseas following the April riot, he even hinted at starting an underground insurgency against the Amarts. Other red leaders swiftly distanced themselves from him.</p>
<p>A related question is: Does exiled academic Giles Ji Ungpakorn have any role to play in this split? Incidentally, &#8220;Red Siam&#8221;, the name of Jakrapob&#8217;s splinter group, is the same as the name of a manifesto Giles wrote after fleeing to the UK. Giles himself says he does not support Thaksin, and he was comparatively late in joining the reds.</p>
<p><span style="color: #993300;"><em>(UPDATE: Giles wrote <a href="http://thaienews.blogspot.com/2009/09/blog-post_08.html">here</a> that he has no connection with the Red Siam group.)</em></span></p>
<p>All in all, the implications of this split are not yet clear. It remains to be seen how Thaksin will react and whether the Red Siam group will be able to draw large crowds in their rallies and activities. One thing that is clear, however, is that the reds are not all mindless, stupid followers and cronies of Thaksin as the media paints them to be.</p>
<p><em>p.s. I will be away from home for the next 10 days. Apologies in advance for the lack of updates.</em></p>


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